<klys>
ye I was thinking about that earlier and picked up a copy of reactos, which is very unstable and can't run 32-bit cygwin let alone msys, and uses vfat. so there's not currently a way visible to get symlinks from a simple & free dll system.
<klys>
seems the only way to install reactos without a freeze is to accept all the defaults, just saying.
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<sortie>
Oh that's a shame to hear ReactOS is that unstable. It's been around for a while, so would've thought it was better by now :)
<mjg>
i'm confused by reactos tho
<mjg>
suppose you were really into it when it started
<heat>
i prefer TikTokOS, it has a novel RPC method
<mjg>
by *now*, even fi it was stable, it lost any practical usage
<mjg>
heat: you misspelled NOVEL
<heat>
NOVELL?
<mjg>
no you suslut
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<heat>
maybe the real novel rpc method was the friends we made along the way
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<mjg>
no, it's how we message them
<mjg>
the real friends is people we flamed on LKML
<Ermine>
reactos people are still busy figuring out how does windows work
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<the_oz>
shoulda used proactos
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<kof673>
i haven't used reactos much, i was just playing with https://github.com/MyTDT-Mysoft/emsdk32/ which needs something modern, my old wine did not work, and decided i would also revisit older windows too lol
<bslsk05>
MyTDT-Mysoft/emsdk32 - Emscripten Toolchain Portable for windows 7+ (0 forks/3 stargazers)
<kof673>
so the old msys, i just wanted a bourne shell so i can add that emscript target lol
<kof673>
https://github.com/CUB3D/wasm89 i don't know how good that is, but there may be a point besides just adding targets :D
<kof673>
if i don't want to mandate elf or whatnot, maybe i can standardize on wasm lol
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<kof673>
if you don't mandate memory protection, then i think you want userland, maybe even kernel, running inside some type of vm, managed env., scripting language...some type of protection, whatever it may be
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<heat>
🍿 test
<heat>
ok cool
<zid>
is that.. popcorn?
<heat>
yes
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<zid>
I had to re-paste it, it's black and white only in this client, so it looked more like a house, or a bucket with a pointy handle
<zid>
nikolar is refusing to work on my usb code with me heat, after I got back in the mood after previously failing :(
<zid>
I'm going to need you to do it instead I guess
<zid>
I can promote you to friend from someone-off-irc if you do well
<heat>
you can do emojis with :<stuff>: on irccloud, i suspected it translated it correctly into unicode but wanted to make sure
<heat>
> usb
<heat>
sorry sir i'm not available
<heat>
have you tried vibecoding?
<zid>
vibecoding worked flawlessly
<zid>
it works great in qemu
<nikolar>
🍿
<zid>
sadly qemu is the most lazy liberal thing ever
<nikolar>
i can do that too
<heat>
LIBERAL
<zid>
you can just give it utter nonsense and it's like "ah, this byte is a 7, I get what he means"
<heat>
what's the republican emulator? vmware?
<zid>
sorry, triggered heat, PERMISSIVE
<GeDaMo>
I'd rather the emojis were translated to :stuff: so it was more obvious what is meant to be :|
<nikolar>
lol
<zid>
I can't run vmware :(
<nikolar>
zid: why not
<zid>
microsoft bricked amd virt in w10
<zid>
then never fixed it before w11 released
<zid>
so early w10 works, and w11 works, but not up to date w10
<heat>
weird
<nikolar>
loller
<heat>
i know there was fucky wucky with hyperv and other hypervisors like virtualbox
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<nikolar>
w10 is outdated anyway
<zid>
amd and intel virt work differently, one lands you in pmode and one in real I think
<nikolar>
everyone is running w11 nowadays obviously
<zid>
I forget which is which
<heat>
i run windows 11 AMA
<vdamewood>
I'm not running Windows 11... at the moment.
<zid>
I'd be running xp64 if they let me
<zid>
but apparently it's "end of life"
<nikolar>
no one's stopping you zid
<zid>
I begrudgingly went to w7
<nikolar>
just install it and have fun
<zid>
and then they did the same damn thing
<heat>
i'd be running windows 12 if they'd let me
<zid>
I can't just install it, nikolar
<zid>
none of my hardware will work
<zid>
notably, my keyboard
<zid>
fun fact, xp has better usb perf than vista+ does
<heat>
it's going to be great when microsoft eventually skips 13 and 14
<zid>
because they changed from using multiple queues to a single queue so they get better irq latency
<zid>
which means it gets less i/o throughput cus of the single queue
<heat>
lol terrible
<zid>
it's fine for bulk transfers
<zid>
but if you have 2-3 devices all talking, they have to round-robin with a trip back to software, rather than the controller being able to switch queues internally
<zid>
because there's only one
<heat>
multiqueue (at least with DECENT hardware) gets you big speed wins
<heat>
even in block IO
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<zid>
it won't for ehci for bulk
<heat>
yeah but ehci is already shit
<zid>
because you're just writing how much data you want into the queue, and it can deliver many many packets of data through that single queue
<heat>
i don't know what the expected usb 3.0 throughput for a proper usb 3.0 flashdrive is
<zid>
like, I can fire and forget gigabytes of transfers off a single queue
<heat>
but it's hopefully better than the 2.0
<zid>
heat: 8MB/s
<heat>
for 3.0?
<zid>
if every flash drive I've ever seen is anything to go by
<heat>
yikes
<zid>
they didn't make the flash any better, it's still just an SD card level piece of trash :p
<zid>
You can get 'ssd' flash drives now though
<zid>
using good flash
<heat>
i would expect anything decent to be using usb-attached SCSI
<zid>
I didn't buy this PC so I keep forgetting what's in it
<nortti>
does the old native ATA /dev/hda code still exist in the kernel? I remember it sticking around for a long while after the switch to libata, but have not checked recently
<zid>
ata_piix for life
<heat>
i think they deleted it
<zid>
*ICH2spec c #9- Extra operations needed to handle
<zid>
* drive hotswap [NOT YET SUPPORTED]
<heat>
semi-recently, maybe 2 years ago
<zid>
fuck, need to submit patches for ata_piix
<nikolar>
IT'S ALL SCSI
<zid>
Your face is SCSI actually
<zid>
MODE SENSE
<zid>
"sad"
<zid>
REQUEST FEATURE
<zid>
"ugly"
<nikolar>
:(
<zid>
^ see, worked
<zid>
nikolar: Dog when you ask it to fetch: PREVENT MEDIA REMOVAL
<zid>
me: drop it!
<zid>
dog: NO DROP, ONLY PREVENT MEDIA REMOVAL
<nikolar>
lol
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<kof673>
heat heat heat :/ > what's the republican emulator? vmware? several sovereign emulators
<kof673>
there can only be one^H^H^H several lol
<the_oz>
sas
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<zid>
heat: You like nvme, does write zeros command act as a trim or do you NEED to set AD?
<heat>
a quick reading of the spec would hint that write zeros + CDW12.DEAC might work as a trim
<zid>
it does
<zid>
that's how you TRIM
<zid>
I'm asking if it's still a trim *without* DEAC
<zid>
SCSI just uses WRITE SAME for TRIM
<zid>
ATA is the one with the actual 'TRIM' command
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<heat>
i guess not, given that it literally tells you to use DEAC to deallocate stuff
<zid>
I bet what it tells you and what irl controllers do only bare a passing resemblence though
<zid>
resemblance
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<zid>
fucking english
<the_oz>
joost spoot vawls vie woll gat oot
<gog>
is that dutch
<gog>
gat uit
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<the_oz>
noot dootch
<Ermine>
evil microsoft doesn't allow me to run w11
<Ermine>
Also their enterprise image dpesn't have wifi drivers built in
<the_oz>
I had to disable a bunfh of crap like TPM
<the_oz>
I could upgrade to w11 but now the up[dater refuses to upgrade
<Ermine>
i'm not going for fucky unsupported configuration
<the_oz>
so never trust these assholes
<Ermine>
but... it all boils down to getting a new computer
<the_oz>
I have more resources running than they CAN support
<the_oz>
they just want TPM and control
<heat>
why would you want an enterprise image
<the_oz>
new computer is a downgrade
<zid>
gog: My gingerbread is packed full of lovely gender fluid
<the_oz>
ew
<gog>
slurrp
<zid>
(They're gingerbread 'people')
<the_oz>
not the gumdrop buttons
<the_oz>
haawwkkTUAH eat me!
<zid>
god forbid I want to bite the heads off a bunch of men
<the_oz>
Specifically God does forbid it just FYI
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<kof673>
i don't always agree with mysoft, but he has a sense of humor (from emscripten blurb): "~1200 files of python garbage being incinerated starts in 3....2....1.... C!"
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