#commonlisp on 2025-08-11 — irc logs at libera.catirclogs.org

2022-07-28 16:55 jackdaniel changed the topic of #commonlisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language | Wiki: <https://www.cliki.net> | IRC Logs: <https://irclog.tymoon.eu/libera/%23commonlisp> | Cookbook: <https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook> | Pastebin: <https://plaster.tymoon.eu/>

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05:47 <kchanqvq> does trivial-without-interrupts sound like a good idea?

05:48 <beach> Not to me, but then, I am no expert.

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05:51 <kchanqvq> I've seen (#+sbcl sb-sys:without-interrupts #+openmcl ccl:without-interrupts #+ecl mp:without-interrupts ...) a few times

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06:26 <edgar-rft`> only when it's trivial without interrupts ...

06:27 <edgar-rft`> okay, lame joke but I'm no expert either

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07:27 <Farooq> Hello!

07:27 <Farooq> beach is still here :) I still haven't forgot how much CL he taught me years ago

07:27 <Farooq> And also some other folks here

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07:28 <Farooq> After I abandoned CL, now I think I need it for some features I cannot find elsewhere. I wanted to ask is Common Lisp with (Neo)vim a thing? Or still the only option is Emacs + SLIME?

07:30 <beach> Farooq: Thanks.

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07:35 <jackdaniel> Farooq: there is slimv - slime for vim

07:36 <Farooq> Are they as good as Emacs+SLIME? I need a unified workspace I can define algorithms, run experiments and then check results

07:36 <Farooq> I remember there was something named incremental building or something

07:38 * jackdaniel shrugs - try if and see

07:38 <Farooq> Another thing which I need is a basic shell. Currently POSIX shell comes very handy for small experiments(using for loop) and basic text processing(grep and awk)

07:38 <jackdaniel> some proficient cl programmers use vim and slimv

07:38 <Farooq> I have no problem with Emacs

07:38 <jackdaniel> then use slime

07:38 <Farooq> Actually if I use both Neovim and Emacs, I will get to be hated from both sides :D

07:39 <jackdaniel> emacs has eshell if you don't wang to rely on bash or whatnot

07:39 <jackdaniel> want*

07:39 <Farooq> note that I need a unified workspace and memory

07:40 <Farooq> like I do 128 experiments, I extract the numbers from the program's stdout and then it is in memory for later purposes

07:40 <Farooq> So it seems I should do everything in CL

07:41 <jackdaniel> the best way is to try build something and gatger some intuition about requirements. if you want vi, then use slimv, otherwise slime

07:41 <Farooq> Do I get incremental building and a REPL next to my editor with both of them?

07:42 <Farooq> Like I define a function to test some algorithm, then I switch to REPL to test it with multiple parameters

07:42 <jackdaniel> this is a good intro: https://stevelosh.com/blog/2018/08/a-road-to-common-lisp/

07:42 <ixelp> A Road to Common Lisp / Steve Losh

07:42 <jackdaniel> yes

07:42 <koresh> Farooq: Uh, yeah

07:42 <Farooq> Currently I'm doing so with POSIX shell + Python + systemd

07:42 <Farooq> and it's really painful

07:42 <koresh> Just use SLIME or SLY

07:43 <Farooq> jackdaniel, thanks I will read that post

07:43 <Farooq> the only thing left is saving an image of the current state which I'm now asking in #sbcl

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07:44 <Farooq> tho it is weird that the room hasn't got an op nor a topic

07:44 <koresh> I think it's save-lisp-and-die

07:44 <Farooq> yeah but is it cheap enough to call often?

07:44 <Farooq> so if the power goes down, I won't lose much

07:44 <koresh> No idea

07:44 <koresh> I'm more of an Emacs Lisp nerd but I hang around here sometimes

07:47 <Farooq> thanks folks for your helps

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09:45 <Farooq> Is it possible to change a function after you have defined it?

09:48 <beach> Farooq: You can change the association between the name and the function, but you can't modify the function object itself.

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09:49 <beach> Farooq: If you just do another DEFUN of the same function, it will work as expected.

09:50 <beach> Fortunately you can do that. Otherwise it would not be much of an interactive development environment.

09:51 <beach> DEFUN will create a new function object and associate it with the name. The old function object is then typically discarded.

09:52 <Farooq> hmmm

09:52 <Farooq> bbl

09:57 <jackdaniel> defining a method is an act if changing the function object

09:57 <jackdaniel> of*

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11:09 <Farooq> jackdaniel, I was more thinking if it would be possible to change individual expressions within a function. I'm looking at it from a theoretical research idea than something which I have immediate application for

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11:15 <jackdaniel> methods are such individual parts of the effective methof function

11:15 <jackdaniel> method*

11:17 <jackdaniel> you may even specify how they are combined

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11:20 <jackdaniel> https://turtleware.eu/posts/Method-Combinations.html

11:20 <ixelp> TurtleWare

11:20 <jackdaniel> example

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11:23 <Farooq> hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

11:23 <Farooq> Lisp if a good choice if you want to test someone mentally

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12:13 <pl> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/m8Bfgtzz/loop.png I have to say I love that piece of LOOP

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14:28 <Alfr> pl, except that thereis and finally don't interact well ... Unless, of course it's expected that in the CEO case the return value is simply T.

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15:22 <Farooq> pl, wow

15:22 <Farooq> Is it possible to connect to here through Matrix?

15:23 <pl> There are bridges from matrix to Libera, yes

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15:55 <semz> What would be a good reason for an implementation to have adjustable simple arrays?

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15:55 <semz> I know it's legal, but I don't think I've ever encountered an impl that does this and am wondering why you would.

15:56 <dlowe> simple-arrays are kind of overrated in the age of extremely cheap memory

15:57 <dlowe> we could make all arrays have an unused adjustment and fill pointer and few programs would notice

15:59 <beach> semz: I think it is more like some chosen implementations may make arrays always adjustable, and it would then be silly to prevent people from adjusting simple ones.

15:59 <dlowe> so if you were making a new implementation, you could skip having multiple kinds of arrays and just use the adjustable array with a fill pointer for everything

16:04 <semz> I see

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18:14 <acdw> oh hey does anyone know a good resource for like, user authentication and sessions using hunchentoot?

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