<aeth>
stanrifkin: and it's only +nt so you have to be +q? idk
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<stanrifkin>
aeth: OK. I don't know. I only get " #gamedev :Cannot send to nick/channel"
<stanrifkin>
aeth: And I'm not sure where to ask about it.
<aeth>
chanserv info says Cahaan
<aeth>
owns the channel
<stanrifkin>
maybe I should write him directly
<stanrifkin>
thanks
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<jackdaniel>
l1sp.org domain expired apparently, and not being able to use it makes me sad
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<aeth>
no!
<aeth>
that's terrible news!
<aeth>
I usually just !l1sp on DDG to search l1sp.org
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<g-gundam>
jackdaniel: `whois lisp.org` reports `Registry Expiry Date: 2026-05-27T04:00:00Z` :: Am I missing something? https://lisp.org/ and https://planet.lisp.org/ still look fine.
<aeth>
g-gundam: 1, not i
<aeth>
l1sp is/was a documentation redirect
<g-gundam>
oh
<g-gundam>
aeth: thanks.
<aeth>
which means you could use !l1sp in DDG to search Lisp documentation
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<mesaoptimizer>
that doesn't seem all that important
<Colleen>
mesaoptimizer: bike said 15 hours, 18 minutes ago: bam
<mesaoptimizer>
losing lisp.com or lisp.org would be more worrying
<jackdaniel>
a useful tool is gone, "it doesn't seem all that important", hmm
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<aeth>
it was most of my Lisp-related searches
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<aeth>
extrapolating my experience to others, it must have been a significant volume of the searches on the internet
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<g-gundam>
I was surprised when lparallel.org disappeared earlier this year.
<ixelp>
Setup repository to publish docs to GitHub Pages by g-gundam · Pull Request #14 · sharplispers/lparallel
<jackdaniel>
I can do that, but would it be too much to ask for including ECL on the list of supported implementations? :3
<jackdaniel>
(looking at the changes now)
<g-gundam>
Sure, I an do that.
<jackdaniel>
generally looks good, there are no controversial changes -- only a cleanup
<jackdaniel>
except from including highlight.js, but oh well, nobody is perfect (:
<g-gundam>
What's wrong with highlight.js?
<jackdaniel>
author name is James M. Lawrence, perhaps putting full name as author would be better?
<jackdaniel>
-- nothing, I just don't like html highlighters
<g-gundam>
i've met a few people like you. (very few, but they're out there)
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<jackdaniel>
fe[nl]ix: is it OK if I merge these changes? I have the commit bit, so /technically/ I can, but I wouldn't go as far as claiming a decident role ,p
<g-gundam>
jackdaniel: I haven't been in this repo in a few months. Getting reacquainted with what I did...
<jackdaniel>
sure thing; if fe[nl]ix doesn't veto that, I'll merge changes. after looking into it there's nothing that would raise an eyebrow (and no code changes)
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<g-gundam>
jackdaniel: I made the changes to mention ECL in both the README.md and Download.md, rebased the mdbook branch, and force pushed it up. It should be ready to merge.
<g-gundam>
(I had to remember how to rebase with emacs+magit.)
<jackdaniel>
r -i e origin/master these keystrokes will hunt me
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<g-gundam>
jackdaniel: This is a one-time thing, but one extra step someone is going to have to do beyond merging is create a gh-pages branch for the repo. I left instructions in the text of the pull request.
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<mesaoptimizer>
I was just going to link that post
<mesaoptimizer>
its on the HN frontpage for me
<jackdaniel>
I'm going big with breaking sandboxes ;)
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<acdw>
uuu
<beach>
acdw: ?
<acdw>
common lisp from inside the browser! very interesting
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<fe[nl]ix>
jackdaniel: thanks for taking care of that
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<jackdaniel>
sure
<acdw>
seeing your code is hosted w fossil reminded me that i could just spin up a fossil servermyself. is it easy to get the server to host mulitpl repos?
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<jackdaniel>
it is; fighting muscle memory is another thing
<jackdaniel>
and you can't effectively rebase, so git mental model also needs to be broken
<jackdaniel>
other than that it is great
<acdw>
gotcha
<acdw>
ty :)
<acdw>
i've been playing wth fossil a little off and on, so the vcs model is no problem
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<jackdaniel>
ah, and no magit :p
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<acdw>
yeah lol
<acdw>
i was using fossil-vc for a bit but it's also not ... greate
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<attila_lendvai>
phantomics, hi! i made some progress. i has reached a point where it can emit some instructions, and the tests check with ndisasm whether it's valid.
<ixelp>
Parsing declarative ISA DSL's · phantomics/specops · Discussion #2
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<phantomics>
Congrats attila_lendvai, and that means you have the JSON from TableGen?
<attila_lendvai>
phantomics, yep
<phantomics>
Can you post it somewhere? I'd be interested to try converting it to SpecOps specs
<phantomics>
And speaking of architecture work, I've just been working on compiling ECL on IBM Z mainframes via IBM's RHEL version compiled for System Z
<phantomics>
I can get the ecl_min binary to load, but it's crashing when I try to do anything significant, which I'm looking into the cause of
<ColinRobinson>
which i ported to OS/2 c. 1991, which is kinda like Z
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<phantomics>
Thanks attila_lendvai
<phantomics>
And interesting ColinRobinson
<phantomics>
C software is supposed to build pretty easily in the Z-compatible Linux OSes
<ColinRobinson>
c is supposed to compile everywhere
<ColinRobinson>
even current Unisys MCP does
<ColinRobinson>
c and algol being pretty close
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<phantomics>
It may be something to do with the GC
<ColinRobinson>
in c? there's none
<phantomics>
The ECL GC
<ColinRobinson>
ah
<phantomics>
ECL does fully build but once it gets to the stage where ECL is called to bootstrap itself it segfaults
<ColinRobinson>
sad
<ColinRobinson>
oh you mean in ur Z port
<phantomics>
The fix may be straightforward, I'll see
<phantomics>
Not a port, just building ECL on Z inside its RHEL distro
<ColinRobinson>
actually would be like OS/2 if you were targeting zOS
<phantomics>
Does OS/2 also have different filetypes at the OS level for things like text, key/value stores etc.? Probably doesn't have all the virtualization features of Z
<ColinRobinson>
yes in fact i was the contractor that did the filesystem perf finals at IBM boca for NTFS vs HPFS
<phantomics>
Cool
<ColinRobinson>
but it seems one of us maybe conflating fs with extended attributes
<phantomics>
IBM was evaluating those FSes for their use?
<ColinRobinson>
MCP as the most natural use of extended attributes i've ever seen but theres a pkg for EXT
<ColinRobinson>
*has the
<phantomics>
It's my understanding that Z's different datasets have optimizations at low levels in the OS according to their types: partitioned, sequential, key/value and those other special ones
<ColinRobinson>
will it was before the ruptured of the IBM-MS JDA
<ColinRobinson>
just b4 it
<ColinRobinson>
*rupture
<ColinRobinson>
well iiuc zOS is a merge of all the legacy OSes, but mainly VM and MVS
<phantomics>
You can have different types of files on a *nix as well but I don't think their grouping by type is as pervasive
<ColinRobinson>
which kinda boils down to MVS
<phantomics>
Lots of the internal stuff still says MVS this and that
<phantomics>
Running JCL also gives you an "N cards read" notice, which is a hoot
<ColinRobinson>
all legacy OSes preserve their tab features
<ColinRobinson>
*well it was
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<phantomics>
attila_lendvai, I tried the script but I don't have Guix. Thanks for the tip on downloading only that folder from LLVM. I found where tblgen is on my system, do I also need to download the /llvm/include/ folder from the repo?
<phantomics>
It looks like it's a needed argument for the tblgen command
<attila_lendvai>
phantomics, i think you need to get the .tb files from the source. but make sure that the version of your tablegen exe and the .tb files match.
<attila_lendvai>
phantomics, you need them for sure, but i doubt they are packaged in any distro
<attila_lendvai>
phantomics, also, you can install guix as a per-user package manager. it's great stuff, i'm running guix system on my laptop
<phantomics>
Hmm, there are no .tb files in the X86 dir, or is that in the /includes?
<phantomics>
I just downloaded it but I got an error: guix build: error: failed to connect to `/var/guix/daemon-socket/socket': No such file or directory
<attila_lendvai>
phantomics, the script should tell you where they are, check the -I args. the dir structure in the guix source package should be the same as the git repo
<attila_lendvai>
phantomics, i never used it on a foreign distro. i think you need to start the build daemon (under your user)
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<phantomics>
Yeah I'm going by the -I params in the script
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<phantomics>
Got Guix working, it's downloading now, it needs a ton of stuff
<mesaoptimizer>
Allegro and LispWorks. Which ones have you people used, and which one do you like and why
<acdw>
neither because i'm a cheap bastard
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<RavenJoad>
I have a project with multiple distinct components. I want to keep them in the same repo, but define them as separate systems. Is the better approach to have 1 ASD file per major system or just one ASD file for the whole project and many sub-systems inside of that?
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<phantomics>
attila_lendvai_, I got installed from guix but I'm having trouble with the LLVM_SRC. It points to /gnu/store/scqihh3h5s4j0qkwgqq7vylyxk7h31jl-llvm-11.0.0.src.tar.xz -- that's a file, not a directory
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<inline>
RavenJoad, if the systems components are to be used on their own then the first approach otherwise the second
<RavenJoad>
inline: At least right now, the sub-system (chilog) is more going to be a library than an application. I am personally leaning towards 1 ASD per piece, but am missing something. chilog.asd is being found by asdf despite me not mentioning it to SBCL or the top-level ASD when running an ASDF command.
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<inline>
asdf has places it looks for things, if you put your places into that you don't have to mention it again
<inline>
asdf is nice compared to my option here with defsystem and whatnot....
<inline>
got a lib that has it's own crude loader
<inline>
works with logical-pathnames mostly etc....
<inline>
i'll use that but also port a part to asdf when possible later on
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<inline>
trying to write tls/ssl for an old lib which has no builtin https handling...
<inline>
gah, so many things
<attila_lendvai_>
phantomics, that's strange. maybe you need to guix pull to get a recent version?
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<attila_lendvai_>
phantomics, guix in the other distros is usually rather old because of the rolling release nature of guix (distros prefer packaging releases)
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<RavenJoad>
What I mean is that inside my project, I have Repos/chil/chil.asd and Repos/chil/chilog.asd. ASDF's source-registry.conf has (:tree (:home "Repos")) in its :source-registry. When I do (asdf:load-asd "chil.asd"), ASDF somehow finds chilog.asd as well. I'm just trying to figure out if this is expected behavior.
<inline>
:tree is recursive
<inline>
if you used :directory just then it won't be recursive
<attila_lendvai_>
phantomics, if you're not interested in guix for other reasons than this, then you can just check the version of your tablegen binary and get the right .tb files somehow...
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<inline>
yes it is expected behaviour with :tree
<RavenJoad>
Ok. So I should expect this to break in CI then. Good to know. Just gotta add this asd file to my Makefile then.
<phantomics>
attila_lendvai, I was thinking about that, I would also need the /include dir
<phantomics>
I tried directing the script the the LLVM dir for /include instead of LLVM_SRC but then I got another problem
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<attila_lendvai>
phantomics, i've also been there before i went all the way and wrote the current script
<phantomics>
So I figure it's better to just install that stuff wholesale
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