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<zorz_>
JUST IN: Financial Times reports that China's Huawei is building a production line for advanced chips that seeks to 'break' China's dependence on 'foreign technologies'
<SiFuh_>
Based on stolen US, Russian tech
<zorz_>
as usual
<zorz_>
in germany they say, for the chinese MG cars dont by them because the transmission is really fake with not so strong metal/stihl how can i explain it
<zorz_>
SiFuh_: you remember the ladder effect i was talking yesterday
<zorz_>
?
<zorz_>
SiFuh_: is good the startup
<zorz_>
SiFuh_: is good the startup from email
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: Hope so, wrote it after 12 x 700 ml bottles of beer and 5 shots of vodka around 06:00am in the morning
<zorz_>
ooo SiFuh_ in shutdown you put some talent :P
<zorz_>
wait to see where to place shutdown so i ll test it
<SiFuh_>
Yes, my system has 3 shutdown errors because I use tmpfs for /var/lock and /tmp
<SiFuh_>
Everything from the LVM to the end, has been rewritten by over 90%
<SiFuh_>
So since tmpfs is not a normal filesystem, because it is virtual it should not be handled the same as a normal mount
<zorz_>
after swap
<zorz_>
?
<SiFuh_>
Let me check. Yes
<SiFuh_>
In fact, I had a question "/bin/umount -a -d -r -t nosysfs,noproc,nodevtmpfs" What the fuck is this? It appears useless so I redid it another way.
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: I took a video of the shutdown. Then played it back at speed 0.06 with mpv to read every line to make sure there were no errors.
<zorz_>
SiFuh_: i was looking to solve the ladder effect and by mistake i solve something else hahahahaha basically not solve make it run faster.
<zorz_>
i had to export XDG_VTNR=$(fgconsole)
<zorz_>
so i place in .xinitrc export XDG_VTNR=$(tty | sed 's|/dev/tty||')
<zorz_>
what i realise now, after setting in ENV the XDG_VTNR.... firefox used to run and the computer was in 68 70 degrees and now is at 58
<zorz_>
hahahah
<zorz_>
strange.
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<farkuhar>
May the Fourth be with you (and with uwumeowmeownyaa, who apparently needs help preventing the installation of Rust)
<zorz_>
go ahead!
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Did you get my email?
<farkuhar>
SiFuh_: Got it, along with stenur's two posts to the ML. Kudos to stenur for adding his voice to the complaints about poor code quality in the rc 2.34.1 release.
<SiFuh_>
Hahahahaha
<SiFuh_>
I knew it was a matter of time before people start noticing it.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: I'd like to read stenur's posts. Any URL?
<SiFuh_>
I will be doing my own rc here eventually, devoid of any colour.
<farkuhar>
zorz_: Go help uwumeowmeownyaa in #crux
<zorz_>
is he in #crux?
<zorz_>
hahahahahaha
<zorz_>
Gentoo GNU
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Hehe, yes that was a nice one liner. "if you consider the code quality of the CRUX
<SiFuh_>
scripts and package system in the past, and compare it with that,
<SiFuh_>
it is hard to imagine new users and developers come over."
<farkuhar>
SiFuh_: Yes, that was a pithy way to summarize the trend in quality control.
<SiFuh_>
The moon bear, he cheerfully and one by one wa.ks himself off. <--- I have seen a female moon bear do that.
<farkuhar>
SiFuh_: Duplicate rc ports (one with colour and one without) will make it harder to keep them in sync, if new technologies come along and need to be inserted into the boot logic (the way LVM was added, all those years ago). I prefer a more modular approach: ONE core rc port with colour disabled by default, and contrib ports providing colour for those users who want it.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: Well my opinion is still the same. Coloured boot scripts, they suck
<SiFuh_>
Most users want their systems to boot up super quickly, and not sit there watching it boot. Haha
<SiFuh_>
Also, I might add another line after Screen Timeout "Loading kernel modules..."
<farkuhar>
Yeah, colours suck, so why pollute the core port with all that code? Keep the messiness out of sight in the contrib repo, with just the slightest of hints (two lines in rc.conf) that it's available for users who want it.
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: So two questions I have.
<SiFuh_>
1) "/bin/umount -a -d -r -t nosysfs,noproc,nodevtmpfs" What the fuck is this? It appears useless so I redid it better way. This is in rc.shutdown.
<SiFuh_>
2) Why is rc.modules loaded second last in the rc script?
<farkuhar>
Anyway, today I woke up with a splitting headache and an unsettled stomach. I'll be taking plenty of bed rest, not concentrating too hard on the lingering problems in /etc/rc.
<zorz_>
farkuhar: go to the Doctor and sent the bill to Beerman :P
<zorz_>
hahaha
<farkuhar>
zorz_: you missed your chance to help uwumeowmeownyaa in #crux
<SiFuh_>
Hmm rc.modules should load before udev
<SiFuh_>
And should be faster if it is run in the background
<zorz_>
farkuhar: yes, i will not sleep tonight.
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: farkuhar is suffering the sideffects of me drinking 12 x 700ml bottles of beer and 5 shots of vodka and staying awake to do the code for the lvm around 6am in morning
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: by the way zorz_ the mods. He didn't tell him how shutdown went but pasted the results of boot up.
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: Do what I did. Record a video on an external device. Then play it back very slow speed and read it and see if you see any errors.
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: This rc script the more I look at it, the more I realise it is full of problems. I have moved loading rc.modules to directly after the udev part.
<SiFuh_>
So I will stop focusing on fixing the colour indefinately. My main focus is now doing a complete re-write and inspection of this highly broken CRUX rc init script.
<zorz_>
SiFuh_: yes
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: I actually cannot believe how very bad it is. It is far more serious than beermans broken code shit for colour.
<zorz_>
i agrre... you do the code... and beerman will do later the gay things
<SiFuh_>
No, I will probably make a printf function that is universal throughout the script. That way if I do continue with the faggot colour mods. You'd only need to edit the print function and nothing else.
<zorz_>
do we do mtab?
<SiFuh_>
Yes
<SiFuh_>
But we don't have it in rc.
<SiFuh_>
It's a Linux thing /etc/mtab && /proc/mounts
<zorz_>
nice :P
<SiFuh_>
&& hahaha and*
<SiFuh_>
Tell I have been writing code today.
<zorz_>
okay
<SiFuh_>
That script you just sent is using /proc/mounts to find loop devices to umount
<zorz_>
and then he calls try umount and gets the colors
<SiFuh_>
You actually found a problem in CRUX rc.shutdown I overlooked. Thanks!
<zorz_>
nothing man
<zorz_>
afterall i will use it :P
<zorz_>
i thank you :P
<zorz_>
wait i will post something to get a look
<SiFuh_>
I have added two lines for sync. One before umounting and one before root going into readonly mode. Disable swap at the end. Where it should be.
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: cool! But I like my way better in CRUX however, the script you posted helped me fix three issues that I didn't see before.
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: Good thing I am not in a hurry to finish this CRUX rc repair job. I want to take my time and go over everything with a fine toothed comb before I send it to jaeger
<zorz_>
yeap... i send you an email... just for reference.
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: Who wrote this?
<zorz_>
powerman of gentoo, is gentoos runit
<zorz_>
alex something
<zorz_>
but okay mount is mount and so on... he does it in runit
<SiFuh_>
It is neat, but at the same time very messy. Hard to explain.
<zorz_>
i like that checks kernel pool for random seed
<SiFuh_>
I saved it anyway. It might help me find new issues with CRUX rc that I haven't noticed yet.
<zorz_>
ukranian product:P
<zorz_>
thats why i send it.... :)
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: I pasted my modification of rc.shutdown in the shellcheck then into sAI. The sAI was impressed. Hah! That means there must be something wrong with my code as sAI is shit at writting code.
<zorz_>
ahahaha
<zorz_>
shellcheck and shfmt are nice :P
<SiFuh_>
Heh, now I am concerned
<zorz_>
hahahaha
<SiFuh_>
shellcheck is good. I actually know the creator.
<zorz_>
SiFuh_: are you the next AI ?
<zorz_>
and you hiding that from us?
<zorz_>
lolllllllll
<SiFuh_>
No am Real Intelligence not simulated Artifical Intelligence.
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: I love my ability to know the precise words to search to get what I want. But ever since this sAI came in. I found it easier to just ask it. But I also find the results are way more biased but it treats it like fact. So I tend to not take much of what it says for granted
<dlcusa>
I take everything AIs say with a boulder of salt.
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: Hahaha
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: Today my wife was watching the news and she called me over to ask my opinion and I said "Lies" hahahahahahaha
<zorz_>
hahahahhaa
<dlcusa>
These days you'd be right no matter what they said.
<SiFuh_>
She asks how I can know if they are lying and I said simple, the moment they are on air, it is all lies and deception and public manipulation.
<dlcusa>
How can you tell if a politician is lying? Is he attempting to communicate with anyone?
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: How can you tell if a politician is lying? His lips are moving.
<dlcusa>
Mine is more comprehensive.
<SiFuh_>
Mine is the Australian version of the joke.
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<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: Biblical question from non biblical sources. I seem to remember reading that during Enoch's time the day was 18 hours long and the night was 18 hours long. 36 hour days.
<dlcusa>
I don't recall ever coming across that, not that I've read all there is on the subject.
<SiFuh_>
I seem to recall in Mesopotamian scripts the earth had a complete day and night cycle of 18 hours.
<dlcusa>
Maybe the author had a bad sundial.
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: I will need to try recall which ancient scripts i read
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: You can still buy a Sundial wrist watch. Hahaha
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: I first saw them in a survival store. But I never saw the point when you can just read the time from the sun's position. No need fancy tech.
<SiFuh_>
Heheh 'fancy tech' haha
<dlcusa>
As long as you're competent to ascertain true north.
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: When I read the time here in Malaysia, I must add 1 hour to it.
<SiFuh_>
Competent, wait 30 minutes. You will know which way is North
<dlcusa>
In 30 minutes, you will have all the necessary data to ascertain true north.
<SiFuh_>
And besides. If you wake up in the morning and observe the sky. You will know where the sun came from. So you will know which way is east
<SiFuh_>
Yep, wait for the sun to move.
<dlcusa>
That's a long time to hold your wrist still.
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: I remember years ago reading those survival books about reading the sun. Stick fingers up and fists and hands and specific distance from your face. I could never get it. Then I realised it was all bullshit.
<SiFuh_>
Well a Sundial can't be used without knowing North.
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: It is based on real time. Not human time. Sun rises at 6 and sets at 6. Regardless of winter or summer. So days get shorter or longer. Directly above your head is 12. No hard to devide a 90 degree angle from true horizon and directly above your head into 6 parts
<dlcusa>
Anyway, wrong apparatus to determine time of a daily day/night cycle. Measure drops of water falling at a constant rate instead.
<dlcusa>
Use a big enough bucket.
<SiFuh_>
Heh, don't you guys use the imperial system based on barley? Not the metric system based on water.
<dlcusa>
Don't forget to account for evaporation.
<SiFuh_>
And altitude
<dlcusa>
Hey, I know--grains of sand!
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: Here is one for you. During my time studying Ancient Sumerian text, I came to the realisation that most of the writing was based off of barley. But not as one would assume being bread, but it appears, and I have a very big hunch about this that the reason the Sumerian writing system was created was for monitoring alcohol production and trade.
<SiFuh_>
Basically tax records for booze
<dlcusa>
I'm sure that was a big goal for the powers that were.
<SiFuh_>
Kind of like how the Imperial system was created in the US around barley, pasteurization was discovered through alcohol production and the fact the US anthem was an old beer drinking song.
<SiFuh_>
Hehe, so what was the issue with tea then? Bloody hell. Couldn't even make your own anthem, just poached a beer drinking song
<SiFuh_>
To Anacreon in Heaven
<dlcusa>
And look at them NOW!
<dlcusa>
Oh, wait... Most of them NOW!
<SiFuh_>
Hehehe
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: I just killed ChatGPT on evolution. I am not going to kill it on the incorrect theory of gravity.
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: It died.
<zorz_>
you found a new toy
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<SiFuh_>
zorz_: Just destroy it with logic
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<zorz_>
SiFuh_: tell it, use common sense!
<zorz_>
hahahaah
<SiFuh_>
I don't think this stupid thing knows what that is
<zorz_>
yeap
<zorz_>
stupid no stupid... needs massive electricity
<zorz_>
huge resources for the green gen ai fucked up people
<zorz_>
ggaf
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I will redo the gate. I need to rip up the gate I bolted to concrete. I told no one to use the water when I was installing it. But the wife did. The bolts are not set correctly. So I will need to rip out all for bolts and drill out the holes again. I will order stainless steel rods and 5cm long hex nuts. I will pour concrete in and raise the gate slightly higher. And start again.
<zorz_>
SiFuh_: with farkuhar's make mrproper and make clean in handbook i never managed to boot a compiled kernel
<zorz_>
i just tried it again.
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: That is mine. Not farkuhars
<zorz_>
i always use make defconfig && make hardening.config
<SiFuh_>
Bloody hell zorz
<zorz_>
okay yours
<zorz_>
i dont know man
<SiFuh_>
You run this first THEN copy your .config over.
<zorz_>
aaaaaaaaaaaa
<SiFuh_>
Heh
<zorz_>
okay
<zorz_>
hahahaha
<SiFuh_>
You are basically cleaning the source for the cleanest build. Silly.
<zorz_>
got it
<zorz_>
let me try 6.12.26
<zorz_>
brb
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<SiFuh_>
You are so predictable dude. It is uncanny.
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<SiFuh_>
zorz_: You are so predictable dude. It is uncanny.
<zorz_>
yesy
<ukky>
SiFuh_: Can't you reuse old bolts that you already put in the concrete? Maybe you can cut them to about 2 cm height, put lock-nut, then long hex union nut, and then threaded rod, with second lock-nut. This way you can raise the fence.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: No, because I will make a concrete base a little higher and the rods bolts are too short.
<ukky>
Shorter than 2 cm?
<SiFuh_>
The first two bolts are 2cm from the base of the original concrete and the rear load bearing bolts are 4cm longer
<SiFuh_>
And one load bearing bolt and one not load bearing has problems.
<SiFuh_>
Besides I want to raise the gate about 3cm higher.
<SiFuh_>
And I will change the bolts to SS
<ukky>
Okay. Plan ahead well what you think would solve you problem. I'd hate to redo what you are going to do.
<ukky>
Yes, SS would be my the only choice too. Washers, split washers, nuts, all these should be SS too.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: The gate is technically fine. But I think it is best I cut a huge chunk out of the concrete and refill it because I know for a fact that this particular section is very badly laid.
<ukky>
Yeah, and it might be thin too.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: But it will fail in the future. So no hurry to do it. Just planning now
<SiFuh_>
And I think to go much much deeper as well for the rods. Because the gate is only held up by a single pole.
<ukky>
Maybe you can burry tall concrete blocks under the posts.
<SiFuh_>
Yeah that could work ukky, but concrete is cheap here. So probably best I make a super strong foundation first with wire mesh inside
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Oh by the way. about 60% of the nuts were loose on the entire fence. Seems the extreme heat here and switch to cool is loosening them very fast
<SiFuh_>
I changed all those nuts but one rod (Not important) is stripped. But I will just use JB weld to make new threads.
<ukky>
You can make a pair of base plates, with the same 4-holes profile as your post base, place 4 rods through two baseplates, and then place the whole pre-assembled structure into liquid concrete.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: The fence itself is fine. It is designed to hold itself together and the way I set it up, it can flex under stress. Just the gate is the only thing that needs a redesign
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Hahah great minds think a like. I already planned that. However one slight modification. That base plate will have many holes drilled into it
<SiFuh_>
That way concrete can set around and through it.
<ukky>
You need to use either double-nuts, or washer+split-washer+nut, or that nut with plastic inside (forgot the name)
<SiFuh_>
plastic inside are lock nuts.
<SiFuh_>
I have double nuts on the load bearing places
<SiFuh_>
But for the gate. I will rip the 4 bolts out. Then decide whether or not to cut a huge hole with a diamond blade into the concrete or just use the old holes to pour concrete in.
<ukky>
Just be careful with lock nuts. I had big trouble screing them on long rods. Those nuts might sieze and lock from overheating, and you cannot undo them after seizure.
<SiFuh_>
But I think, chances are, I will cut a huge retangular prism hole into it and make it super deep with 50cm rods SS and put a base plate, wire mesh and concrete into it to just make it impossible for the Hulk to tear it out.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: By the way. The temporary nuts were 10mm but using a 14mm spanner. I replaced all with 10mm using a 17mm spanner :-P
<ukky>
Can you cut concrete through, rectangular shape?
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Yes, and I am going to love doing it.
<ukky>
Does you HW store sells those tubes for pouring concrete for fence posts?
<ukky>
Wooden fence posts are installed into such tubes
<ukky>
imho, you need to dig at least 50 cm under your posts to pour concrete.
<ukky>
I guess I should not ask you what is the frost line depth in your area.
<SiFuh_>
Yeah, but it will be dirt. So I was thinking to also go wider. Because I am going through concrete and I think it is like 20cm thick.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Yeah, I actually know the frost line depth here
<SiFuh_>
It is zero.
<ukky>
haha
<SiFuh_>
Should say negative boiling point depth
<ukky>
You need conical hole, with the base wider than the top.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Yes
<SiFuh_>
But my hole is going to be square not round :-P
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Anyway, I think the gate will be fine just under two years. So I have plenty of time to prepare
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Got a wife issue to see if you can understand. Wife sends me a photo of yellow foot prints that go from the kitchen to the store room. I pointed them out to her and asked her if she knows where they came from. She then sends me a photo of it (Don't know why) Then tells me "It is from iron, I can smell and it won’t wipe off" So I ask her "What iron?" She replies "It is from the iron" I ask
<SiFuh_>
again more firm "What iron we don't own and iron" She answers "Iron goes drip drip" And then she got angry with me and refused to talk to me.
<SiFuh_>
So I have been teasing her "What's that?" she asks. I say "Something" she says "Yeah but what is it?" I said "Something that doesn't go drip drip" hahaha
<ukky>
Maybe she meant kitchen faucet?
<SiFuh_>
No, I investigated further after I caused her to laugh. She means metal. Something metal that smells like blood that isn't copper. But what it is, neither of us don't know. But what I do know, is it is foot prints.
<SiFuh_>
Small footprints. Not mine. And it seems to come from the store room to the kitchen. But the store room only has cooking equipment. Only three items are cast iron. But they were not used for over 2 years.
<SiFuh_>
Apart from the small one, I painted with high temp engine paint
<ukky>
Many people cannot see a difference between regular steel, cast iron, and stainless steel.
<SiFuh_>
Well, I don't think it is steel or metal. I am thinking it something like turmeric
<SiFuh_>
Stained the tiles slightly yellow.
<SiFuh_>
She tried to blame me. I said "I wear socks" I don't walk barefoot because it is too noisey.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I get annoyed by very small sounds. I have what could be classed as misophonia.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I even have to climb into my ceiling to tell the bats to take a hike in the middle of the night. Hahaha
<SiFuh_>
Hyperacusis is another one I could be diagnosed with.
<SiFuh_>
I like sound at a normal level.
<ukky>
SiFuh_: Do not check whether you have a specific symptom, as you might confirm it, and then live with that knowledge for the rest of your life
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Oh no, mine is way different. I was giving examples
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I hate annoying sounds. People walking, eating, chewing, lisping and scratching of animals. I also hate anything loud and annoying. But I love engines, machines, rain, jungle animal sounds. But my hearing is insanely sensitive. In high school they always accused me of having hearing like a dog.
<SiFuh_>
My wife use to comb her nieces hair each week. I had to tell her to stop doing it because even though I am upstairs. I can hear that freaking comb against the hair rubbing away at our front door.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Here is another one. If I put a phone to my ear, I can barely understand what anyone is saying. But if I move away from head like 2" to 1 metre. I can hear it clearly
<SiFuh_>
No problems with head phones. But they are usually not on my ears. Ear buds (I think they call them) No issues at all in my ears.
<SiFuh_>
And when I go to cinema I always wear earmuffs. And in my bag are always earplugs.
<SiFuh_>
by the way ukky have you actually looked at the CRUX rc script?
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I was working on the colour fix and provided a test sample to farkuhar. But the deeper I got into the functionality of the script. I realised how broken it was. Worse that beerman's amateur colour incorporation.
<ukky>
There is definitely something weird is going on with your hearing D
<SiFuh_>
It reminds me of the iPhone 4. Throw a camera at the housing and where it lands is where it goes.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Weird? Nah, but I have known since a kid. I should have been Daredevil or something.
<ukky>
SiFuh_: wrt /etc/rc, I only follow your discussions here and in -musl.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I am slowly re-writing the entire rc script. Everytime I get to the next function or set of commands, I am appauled at where it is located in the script and what it is actually doing.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I still can't figure out what this umount option was
<ukky>
My crux systems are still on 3.7 (with runit), and will never see 3.8. The goal is to switch all systems to NetBSD.
<SiFuh_>
Like this one. /bin/umount -a -d -r -t nosysfs,noproc,nodevtmpfs Is that some old umount feature that no longer is used?
<ukky>
Let me man-page it
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Nice, but never liked NetBSD. I have been thinking about it though since remiliascarlet talks about it a bit
<ukky>
SiFuh_: you are happy with OpenBSD. I do not see a reason for you to have/install NetBSD
<ukky>
SiFuh_: imho, when you use 'umount -a' system will try to unmount all mounted MP. When you specify '-a -t nosysfs,noproc,nodevtmpfs', it will keep all those mentioned MP mounted.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I did a search and apparently it is an outdated way of doing things and no longer exists. Been gone since 2015
<ukky>
Basically, unmount all except /sys, /proc, and /dev.
<SiFuh_>
So CRUX is stillusing deprecated stuff for 10 years? I thought it was bleeding edge. WTF
<ukky>
imho, it is a dump way to unmount MPs. Like, when you cannot figure out what is mounted and ask 'umount' to figure that out.
<ukky>
s/dump/dumb/
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Also thanks to zorz_ and his playing around. I noticed rc.shutdown doesn't run sync for anything during shutdown.
<ukky>
Let me check if I do 'sync' in etc/runit/3 ...
<SiFuh_>
The LVM also I investigated is entirely wrong. rc.modules is loaded at the end? What?
<SiFuh_>
So I have been shifting stuff around, and rewriting ancient code
<ukky>
SiFuh_: confirmed, I do 'sync' upon shutdown in my runit script.
<SiFuh_>
And I can't discuss it with jaeger because he seems to have vanished.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Exactly, shutting down a system without syncing? That's weird. Systems could hang waiting. Also they umount swap way to early.
<ukky>
Crux maintainers are not interested in making Crux 'proper' (good/perfect).
<SiFuh_>
Not umount, disable or however it is said.
<SiFuh_>
They even have tmpfs now but try to umount like a normal filesystem.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Yeah, I think they got lazy because of either beerman or age.
<SiFuh_>
Hehe
<SiFuh_>
I am actually surprised romster never noticed that the rc script was wrong
<SiFuh_>
He was very good at pin pointing issues. I guess I need to think about Romster's roll now
<ukky>
I don't think it is age or laziness. When you do a proper job, it does not matter how old are you, or whether you are lazy. Laziness is cheap excuse.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: I told zorz_ I will not rush this rc script. I has to be done properly. I will take my time and also do the merge. So all rc scripts will be in one rc.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Good point. I am older than all the dev team that I know of.
<SiFuh_>
jaeger for example was still in Uni when I was teaching at Uni.
<SiFuh_>
And beerman was probably still a little spermy in his daddy's ball sack.
<dlcusa>
"Fast, cheap, good--pick two" is the standard idea. For bootup & shutdown, I surrender cheap (amount of time to code/debug).
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: Well this is way worse. This is not only poorly written for its time. It is worse than anything beerman did with his amateur coding.
<dlcusa>
Understood. I think we all just expected it was already fast and good.
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: I pick none of the three. I pick perfection :-P
<SiFuh_>
I choose my own path. Not guidelines set by others.
<SiFuh_>
Anyway, dlcusa I will take my time with this because rc init is pretty much the most important thing about CRUX. So when I think it is ready for release. I will release it. CRUX 4.0 will probably be released by then and by 6.0 they will introduce it and it will also be deprecated. Hahaha
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<dlcusa>
I've been thinking pf CRUX-musl as CRUX 4.0.
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<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: I was thinking of CRUX-musl and CRUX-glibc and we just ignore the collapse of CRUX.
<SiFuh_>
Focus only on opt/core/xorg and CRUX itself and leave everything else to the users.
<dlcusa>
So you are at peace with the discontinuity of the project Per started?
<dlcusa>
s/of/with/
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: No, I am at peace with keeping his legacy and sending the clearly spiraling mess of shit and shame into the recesses of the dark abyss it is heading.
<SiFuh_>
CRUX is no longer Per's CRUX. If he was hear today, he'd have fired and banned beerman for sure. And he'd be pissed at how it is going.
<SiFuh_>
hear/here
<dlcusa>
So establish his vision with a better name.
<dlcusa>
reestablish
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: Funny how he and I had massive disputes and here I am trying to keep his distro the way he wanted it. Heh
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: We have Outlaw Linux. But serpente hates the name
<dlcusa>
It's not about the person, it's about the vision, the concept.
<SiFuh_>
That techincally is the package.
<SiFuh_>
The way I see it, beerman has hijacked CRUX and is turning it into beerman's distro instead of Per's
<dlcusa>
Didn't Arch fork from CRUX?
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: Yes, but on their site they say 'inspired by' but that isn't correct because the founder was constantly in #crux asking for help for years.
<dlcusa>
So "CRUX" need not be in the name.
<SiFuh_>
No
<dlcusa>
And so less confusing to those not involved.
<SiFuh_>
And I don't think if we made a distro 'based' on CRUX is the correct terminology since we are returning CRUX to the way it was suppose to be. Therefore CRUX should be 'deviated from CRUX'
<ukky>
I was going to name the new distro 'Amqui Linux', but then realized NetBSD is good for me. 'Amqui' stands for 'the place to have fun'.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Heh so gay. Hahaha
<SiFuh_>
Why not chose the name CRUX but in another language?
<dlcusa>
Maybe that would imply something we don't want implied, perhaps?
<SiFuh_>
BY the way do you guys call it CRUX as in crutchers? Or as in crew?
<dlcusa>
Perhaps the answer lies in a thesaurus...
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: oooooo
<SiFuh_>
Hahah Nitty-Gritty Linux.
<ukky>
SiFuh_: like in 'crutch'
<SiFuh_>
farkuhar: pronounced it that way too
<SiFuh_>
I have always used CRUX as in crew-X
<SiFuh_>
crewks
<dlcusa>
Ah, a good reason to drop "CRUX", then.
<ukky>
SiFuh_: 'crooks' is weird D
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: Today farkuhar used the word pithy. Pith Linux
<SiFuh_>
I actually like Nitty Gritty for some reason
<dlcusa>
Sounds low quality to me.
<ukky>
SiFuh_: beware of Piss Linux
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Yeah I was shocked when he said crucks and I said crewks
<SiFuh_>
ukky: There is a bat in my roof
<SiFuh_>
Okay y
<SiFuh_>
Y'all have a few months to think of a name. If we decide to do this. Just one favour to ask. Beerman can never ever be a developer or maintainer
<ukky>
You need UHF transmitter to sent that bat a message to go away.
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Ohhh you ever call bats to you before?
<ukky>
No, I just used to catch them with white sheets at night.
<SiFuh_>
I showed Mira in Kyrgyzstan how to call bats. I learned that skill in the Aussie Wilderness.
<ukky>
You are bat whisperer
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Oh come on. The sound they make when flying, you all can hear those clicks
<SiFuh_>
I just mimmic them
<ukky>
SiFuh_: you belong to 0.003% of population that can hear bat sounds
<SiFuh_>
My brother has bad hearing compared to me and he can hear them
<SiFuh_>
ukky: Next time you see bats flying outside. Turn off all audio and listen. You will hear it.
<ukky>
My hearing is bad too.
* ukky
has to go
<SiFuh_>
If you can't then do very very quiet clicking noises with your tongue very fast. Must be quiet. Like almost non existant. Tapping the tip of the tongue to the palette
<SiFuh_>
Me too. Thanks dlcusa and ukky
<dlcusa>
It's interesting how antonyms of "superfluous" are negative and deprecating, do not include "essential".
<SiFuh_>
Usually because no word in English means 'exactly' the same thing.
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: Don't forget that some words switch meanings
<dlcusa>
True.
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: Look at 'awful' it was once a positive word. 'Full of awe'
<dlcusa>
Yes.
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: Got a thought for you. I read that the dictionary was not created to nationalise the language but to make sure the bible means what it means.
<SiFuh_>
But if the words in the dictionary change, then the translations will become a problem
<dlcusa>
It was indeed one of the main considerations.
<SiFuh_>
Well wait.
<SiFuh_>
If the bible is changed it is punishable by death
<SiFuh_>
So loop hole. Change the word meanings
<dlcusa>
But we still have to name the distro in 2025.
<SiFuh_>
I have my name. Outlaw Linux
<dlcusa>
Joseph Smith excelled in changing word meanings.
<SiFuh_>
Hehehe I am fully aware of that
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: They were a ruthless bunch though. Tough as nails back in the day.
<dlcusa>
Neither all good nor all bad, but fundamentally deceived.
<SiFuh_>
Yeah I read it. The dude came to my home and was rolling my Jack Fruit (Which I don't eat) with his foot. I was freaking fuming. Left me with a book.
<SiFuh_>
I handed him back the book a week later and told him "I am a Jehovah's Witness" should have seen him run.
<dlcusa>
LOL.
<SiFuh_>
In my mind I was thinking. I like knock knock jokes. I can find his door. Hahaha
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: One of my friends was Catholic. I refused him entry to my home.
<SiFuh_>
Most people never make it by the front door. I let a gay guy in once. He was so upset
<dlcusa>
Your castle.
<SiFuh_>
Yeah and the gay guy would never steal shit from house.
<SiFuh_>
And was very polite to my parents. He ran downstairs to find me and came across my brother and I heard "THERE ARE TOW OF YOU!" we were laughing so much.
<SiFuh_>
I was fixing his computer
<SiFuh_>
Actually I let a truck driver who uses the C word a lot into my house. He was very polite and kind.
<SiFuh_>
I am pretty strict who can and can't come into my house. Even if you are my friend for 15 years.
<zorz_>
i dont come
<zorz_>
:P
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: My friends that come to visit me are allowed here in my house in Malaysia. But many of my wife's friends (Not all) are banned. She says it is unfair. Well I had a set of SS washers sitting in a box on my table. Her own cousing not only stole it. But he was playing around with her purse. He walked in uninvited. I have video footage but the wife still denies it.
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: You are pretty well welcome to be honest.
<zorz_>
you know that i will not.....hahahaha
<SiFuh_>
Of course, because you are scared
<dlcusa>
Some cultures are better than others for producing decent human beings.
<dlcusa>
And words don't change anywhere as fast as cultures do!
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: I choose my friends wisely. I am pretty good at that to be honest. So if you are not allowed in my house, you know even if you are my friend, you are the reason I don't trust you.
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: I like reading it this way. CULT-ure
<dlcusa>
Quite.
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: Yeah, I don't like culture. I watched it in 14 countries. They are fucking weirdos
<zorz_>
i combined traceroute with geoiplookup in a script and i get these results https://0x0.st/84FE.txt
<zorz_>
not bad at all
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: At the wedding last year. The Chinese come to the table and all scream UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH until they run out of breath. Everyone at the table stands and cheers. They asked me to stand. I said "For what?" They said "You have to" I said "I don't have to do shit. So for what?" "No stand" "NO!"
<SiFuh_>
Hehehe
<zorz_>
Chinaaaaaaa
<dlcusa>
But why?
<zorz_>
cause retardio
<SiFuh_>
If you cannot give me a logical reason to do something that makes sense. I ain't fscking doing it.
<SiFuh_>
zorz_: HAHAHA
<zorz_>
HAHAHAHAHAHA
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: I don't do anything. Easter, birthdays, christmas, new years. You name it. I don't do it. I don't care. It is illogical. However, I do take part in my wedding anniversary because it is my wife. And we are united. And we should be happy about that.
<dlcusa>
So you don't know what it was all about and why they wanted you to stand?
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: Although I dislike the anniversary part. That is now, well you know, astrology, planetary rotations
<dlcusa>
With live on the clock we were given.
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: No, but most of the shit they do, I do read up on and it is to do with honoring deities and dead ancestors and scaring away demons and other shit.
<dlcusa>
s/With/We/
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: And Chinese are deep into materialism and ancestoral worship
<SiFuh_>
So last year, I banned it completely. I will not even go to dinner with them that night. I would rather stay home and eat my food alone than take part in that shit.
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: Actually I banned my wife from something and when I was heading over, I saw she took part in it. So I told them the F* off and cooked my own dinner.
<SiFuh_>
I am very strict on who to worship.
<dlcusa>
Commendable.
<SiFuh_>
10 commandments is the only law that is real law
<SiFuh_>
Unless you were Noah, then there was only 7 haha
<zorz_>
Houthis will meet the 10 commandments as they do
<dlcusa>
I think not, they were only written for the first time with Moses.
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: I think it needed to be because God was stepping back
<dlcusa>
Of course, before The Fall, there was only one.
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: My favorite is when the wife asks "Why do you blame women for everything" and I reply "If it wasn't for women, we'd all be fine"
<SiFuh_>
Talking about Eve
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: Yes and ingrained into us. But once things started happening the laws needed to be applied and recorded.
<dlcusa>
It was not cited, but Cain broke a law and received punishment.
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: I tell my wife that Adam and Eve were perfect. They sinned. Now we are a copy of a copy of a copy..... So not only are we becoming more and more sinful, we are also more and more stupid.
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: I have a question about Cain. Who were the others?
<SiFuh_>
He became a marked man. So the others would know not to kill him.
<dlcusa>
This is not for us to know, apparently. Major in the majors, not the minors, etc. Soon enough all will be revealed.
<SiFuh_>
So it leads to me two questions. If it was done early, the murder, then who were the others. The other question is if he did it hundreds of years later, then who else was there? His children and other family?
<dlcusa>
Undocumented.
<SiFuh_>
Well, it ain't Islam, so we have the ability to ponder on these things
<dlcusa>
Ponder, yes--know, no.
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: Here is one that amazes me. Why is the 'gold of the land' good?
<dlcusa>
Good in the sense of useful, higer quality.
<SiFuh_>
I didn't expect an answer. I expected a spark of though
<SiFuh_>
thought
<SiFuh_>
Something to think about
<dlcusa>
That's how I interpret it.
<SiFuh_>
Genesis 1 and 2. In one he says man was created and then the animals in another he says animals were created before man.
<SiFuh_>
Why in Genesis one, original text God is God and in Genesis two he has a name?
<SiFuh_>
Just questions. Thoughts. Nothing serious
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<dlcusa>
I can't even guess why we got two differing accounts other than it was Moses' way of saying there's more of this sort of thing to come. Don't expect everything to make sense to you.
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<SiFuh_>
Well I was wondering mostly about it because I read the Lost Book of Enki and if you merge them together it can make sense.
<dlcusa>
Between literal and figurative, prose is hard.
<SiFuh_>
But I think Enki might have been a fallen angel so it is untrustworthy what he speaks
<dlcusa>
It's a good theory.
<SiFuh_>
dlcusa: Ever read it?
<dlcusa>
No, it hasn't come up at the right time so far.
<SiFuh_>
Well I do recommend reading it. Also check out the book Of Angel's and Women. The women who wrote it has suppose to have been possessed by one of the fallen angels who is asking for forgivness from God for what they ahd done. Pre flood.
<SiFuh_>
It is interesting but don't take it as fact. Either of them
<dlcusa>
I've heard these things, just never felt the need to read them myself.
<SiFuh_>
The Angels woman book is very good.
<SiFuh_>
Probably one of the best books I ever read. But take it with a 'boulder of salt' as you say.
<dlcusa>
Ah, well, I must away again--nice chatting with you, SiFuh.
<SiFuh_>
CyA
<zorz_>
what is this anubis thing that i see lately
<SiFuh_>
He's a Jakal god from Stargate SG-1
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