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<Wizzup>
maedevu.maemo.org tmp down until dns change
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<Wizzup>
migration done, now for the jenkins stuff
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<talk-maemo-org-g>
Hello! Do you know maybe for how long is talk.maemo.org down? Browser shows some vague error about unsupported compression types, but running via curl shows that actually the table in mysql responsible for storing sessions is full... Do you know maybe who admins that and could fix? (I used to use Maemo and N900 since 2009 to around 2019-2020, would
<talk-maemo-org-g>
like to give it a go again and also try maemo leste, but would also like to see what's "up" in talk.maemo.org...)
<talk-maemo-org-g>
It's funny I still recognize a few of nicks in here from old tmo threads :)
<sixwheeledbeast>
I've been getting 503 all day but not sure why.
<sixwheeledbeast>
I'd say ask in #maemo
<talk-maemo-org-g>
Thanks, I'll try! Calling the site via curl returns longer error page in html, culprit being "The table 'vb3_session' is full"
<talk-maemo-org-g>
By the way, hello sixwheeledbeast :) I used to go by misiak1989 in TMO
<sixwheeledbeast>
Hi. It's only been down from today AFAIK.
<talk-maemo-org-g>
Sounds like bad luck then to have some time only today :) Thanks for answering
<Wizzup>
I *think* maedevu is the right place for them
<inky>
so knew ipad os has non fullscreen windows. i wish hildon would have this one day too.
<inky>
btw,
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* inky
thinking how hard would it be to make hildon etc ebuilds for gentoo. and what is the list of packages i should try to build. and if i necessarily have to modify files in /etc/X11, can't i run it some standard way?
<Wizzup>
not hard but lots of work.
<inky>
i also wonder what should i do to make a pinebook pro version of maemo. i know the kernel config. isn't that all? i know the u-boot config.
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<talk-maemo-org-g>
@arno11
<talk-maemo-org-g>
Thank you!
<talk-maemo-org-g>
maedevu gives me timeouts for all ursl (cannot open anything)
<talk-maemo-org-g>
Looks like I will try to revive my n900 today again :)
<Wizzup>
talk-maemo-org-g: timeouts - now?
<Wizzup>
what ip does it point to?
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<arno11>
Wizzup: s/img's/builds/ , ofc maedevu is the right place for img
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<sicelo>
Wizzup: fun. with my patch, D4 always shows 2.5G on status menu, which is wrong
<sicelo>
will look at it more closely towards the end of the weekend (-NOTIME), but maybe you see something obvious
<Wizzup>
ok
<Wizzup>
does maedevu work for others?
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<talk-maemo-org-g>
Wizzup it works now (didn't work few hours ago)
<talk-maemo-org-g>
Thank you :)
<talk-maemo-org-g>
points to 185.254.253.15 btw
<Wizzup>
sounds like tyour dns is updated now
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<talk-maemo-org-g>
btw, daedalus is bookworm-based, right...? but https://maemo-leste.github.io/ states "Maemo Leste is based on Devuan Beowulf (Debian Buster)"
<dsc_>
that text is indeed outdated
<dsc_>
and yes, bookworm
<talk-maemo-org-g>
Ok, this irc chat seems more active than I initially thought... I'll create an account and connect with some client (I'm via web.libera.chat now)
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<dsc_>
sicelo: see, I don't scare them away at all :p
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<sicelo>
Wizzup: ignore my request in connection with that code. it's working as expected. it was giving me wrong results because I didn't install the updated libconnui
<Wizzup>
ok :)
<sicelo>
freemangordon: regarding ofono/bearer/droid4 - i also got the same result as you, i.e. only hspa gets reported.
<sicelo>
if you had hspa then tear down the connection, it still shows hspa (i'd expect a switch to None)
<sicelo>
on N900, we display 2.5 and 3.5 even without an active gprs connection because our ofono code provides the whole range directly in ofono/NetworkRegistration/Technology (and i think that's what the connui code was written based on)
<sicelo>
so you are thinking to add those properties (edge, hspa, etc.) in NetworkRegistration for the D4 as well?
<sicelo>
fine with me :-)
<freemangordon>
they are already there, no?
<sicelo>
for D4 they're not
<sicelo>
it only displays gsm and umts afaik in Technology. never seen anything different
<kiva>
inky: What you say about hildon fullscreen window..it is on all Maemo versions from 1.0 to Leste. Just open default pdf reader and push F6 (or full screen button on 770-N810).
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<erebion>
Hey there, taking a closer look at the wiki and trying to figure out the status of the Nokia N9 port. Can't find much. Except some discussion of patches for the screen. What's the current mainlining status?
<erebion>
Also, the FAQ mention multiple UIs are packaged, but not which. Can I find that out somewhere?
<erebion>
I'm currently dreaming of an N9 as a Jabber client. Not more. I want to use one at least until 2G networks shut down around here. Then I could still use wifi. I miss small phones.
<erebion>
(I've ported Mobian to the Pixel 3a, but every now and then I'm dreaming of something smaller)
<sicelo>
i was given one to work on (pmos), but i broke the screen :-(
<erebion>
I'm still trying to find an offer for an N9 to buy, I'm not sure whether I could do any useful work as I don't yet know its current state, first I'd need to have a closer look.
<sicelo>
anyway, the N9 kernel will undoubtedly be rusty, but with some work should be fixable
<erebion>
If I had one, I'd see what I could improve, without promising anything
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<erebion>
I don't know anything about mainlining, but maybe I could still do a couple things if I manage to buy one somewhere.
<sicelo>
it's mainlined mostly :-)
<erebion>
Chsapest I've found is 150 euros and that's ridiculous
<erebion>
sicelo: yes, but what should work and what doesn't?
<sicelo>
will just be a matter of updating a few things here and there
<erebion>
If that should be enough to run an XMPP client, I'd be very very interested, don't need calls or audio or anything other than that for now
<sicelo>
xmpp client over wifi? that should work
<erebion>
mobile data?
<erebion>
2G will work for two or three more years roumd here
<erebion>
3G has been shutdown already
<erebion>
If that works, I'd really like to use it, while I still can
<erebion>
And for the future I've got a femto cell from Ericsson which I might get running and licenced at some point, lol
<sicelo>
ofono should also support N9's modem, but i really have no idea when was the last time someone ever tested it
<erebion>
(half joking, actually got one)
<sicelo>
erebion: btw i guess we could also appreciate getting a Pixel 3a port of Maemo Leste ;-)
<sicelo>
i'll be getting back to the Librem5 port towards month end and hopefully finish it.
<sicelo>
i've followed your Mobian work :-)
<erebion>
What advantage could a Maemo port have that a Mobian port does not have? As Mobian is just Debian plus Kernel package mostly, shouldn't Maemo already run fine? Assuming some config tuning, of course.
<erebion>
But packages should be there, I guess
<sicelo>
our UI :-)
<sicelo>
in fact, our UX
<erebion>
Fun fact: I'd like that on Mobian as well
<kiva>
erebion: have you ever used any Maemo device?
<erebion>
That's a reason for getting an N9 as well, for trying it out and then trying to get it running with Mobian
<sicelo>
N9 native UI is different from N900 native UI btw
<sicelo>
we're continuing the N900 UI, not N9's
<erebion>
kiva: Not sure... Probably. Can't remember much from that time. But I remember the way the N9 UI looked and miss the future that never was.
<erebion>
sicelo: I know
<erebion>
But Neno Mobile does with Glacier, has anyone tried porting that over, btw?
<kiva>
and I have to say as exN950 user (that had same N9 Meego UI) I have to say older N900 UI was every way better.
<sicelo>
i think pmos did @glacier, until they didn't want to deal with qt version issues
<sicelo>
erebion: leste's UI, as it currently stands, might be tricky with debian due to ... GTK2
<erebion>
Wait, I think I had a device with the N900 UI, maybe even an N900, years ago. Back then it aas just an old device I couldn't find any use for and I hadn't heard of Maemo or Nemo or any project doing anything in that direction
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<erebion>
sicelo: Why is that tricky with Debian but not Memo?
<erebion>
*Maemo
<sicelo>
we can package our own GTK.
<sicelo>
try uploading it to salsa and you'll probably start WW3 :p
<erebion>
I've not seen the code, but why not update it to newer GTK instead of packaging old stuff?
<erebion>
seems like an uphill battle, but I know nothing about how that UI works
<sicelo>
manpower, for one
<kiva>
if ask be Maemo Leste is better that Mobian and Postmarket OS. You can try any Debian app in it...(from Devuan).
<erebion>
Is that a work intensive task then? I don't know how GTK development works, never looked into that
<erebion>
And Mobian runs anything packaged in Debian
<erebion>
/shrug
<sicelo>
i also am not a GTK person, but i think it's intensive absolutely. but Wizzup can share better insights when he has a moment
<kiva>
erebion: But Maemo as also good mobile UI.
<erebion>
BTW, before I get an N9, are batteries easy to get or unobtanium?
<kiva>
as me as "normal" use I have not seen any GTK problems yet.
<erebion>
kiva: I know, I just really like the one from the N9 and the Nemo mobile one, I'd just prefer Debian. So if I could, I'd like to give that one a try
<ashley>
erebion: does it even matter if and when you literally need to disassemble the entire thing to get access to the battery? (as opposed to the N900 which is a more "traditional" phone where you just...pop off the back cover, swap out the battery, put back cover back in and you're done; the N9 is more like the present-day smartphone offerings in terms of just how integrated the battery is)
<erebion>
Room topic contains broken shortened URL, where should it lead?
<erebion>
ashley: Yes, I'd really like to play with an N9, batteries matter
<sicelo>
if you are really looking for the N9's UI, then i guess look at Nemomobile ... unfortunately actal N9 will likely be too weak to run it
<ashley>
as for actual batteries, a quick google search for "nokia n9 battery" does yield quite a lot of results (apparently the Lumia 800 used the same battery?) but I guess actual availability is subject to your geographical location or at least continent, I'd imagine it might be trickier to find a replacement battery in the American or Australian continent than here in Europe, for example
<erebion>
Huh, then I should probably just try out stock OS and then switch to Maemo with its UI.
<erebion>
Wait, if it is the same as the 830, I'd already have one
<erebion>
Nope, different one
<erebion>
Nokia Lumia 830 is a neat device, such a shame it runs Windows and is next to useless because of that :/
<erebion>
Such a shame the BlackBerry Classic is so heavily locked down. Actually, this is my favourite of all phones I've ever used, but nowadays it's become a feature phone with no hope that it will ever have a Linux kernel booting, as no exploit has been found yet.
<erebion>
For the BlackBerry Key 2 LE I happen to have an internal engineering device that should be able to boot something else, but I don't know how.
<erebion>
At least fastboot rejects flashing commands
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<kiva>
If you want use stock OS of Nokia N9 it is fine old Meego with debian kernel some where version 2.6..if I remember right it was easy to put in developer mode, somebody there can help you: https://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=51
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<kiva>
Blackberry 2 Key 2 (LE) would good fo Maemo, because it has keys.
<erebion>
Jusr looked at Wikipedia, I remember having had a Maemo 5 phone, more than ten years ago.
<kiva>
if you liked, you will like also Maemo Leste. Because it has same UI.
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<kiva>
I like use Linux with xfce, but with small screen 12" and under I like use Maemo.
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<inky>
> inky: What you say about hildon fullscreen window..it is on all Maemo versions from 1.0 to Leste. Just open default pdf reader and push F6 (or full screen button on 770-N810).
<inky>
kiva, no i meant non fullscreen, to have two windows opened, stacked perhaps and visible simultaneously.
<inky>
> Nokia Lumia 830 is a neat device, such a shame it runs Windows and is next to useless because of that :/
<erebion>
I've got a separate dev device, so I could try Maemo on it
<erebion>
And if there's a working kernel for it, I could perhaps replace the Windows on the Nokia Lumia 830 as well, then it'd actually see some usage instead of waiting in drawer
<erebion>
Also, I'll soon get an Xperia 10 III delivered, I wanted to have a look at Sailfish OS and see whether I could have that with a FOSS UI perhaps and I'm just alao curious about how SF OS does things.
<inky>
well xperia device is amazing, and i have sailfish here, and it is really useful as everyday device, but... i hate it.
<inky>
it uses proprietary components. ui written for it should be rewritten from scratch to be accessible / buildable on other normal linuxes.
<inky>
so writing for sailfish is an effort spent in vain because you can't recompile it for postmarketos or maemo.
<inky>
afaik also they do tivoization.
<inky>
yes and of course it uses non mainline.android kernel.
<inky>
and the os itself, when you browse directories, isn't clean, lots of crap everywhere.
<inky>
> And if there's a working kernel for it, I could perhaps replace the Windows on the Nokia Lumia 830 as well, then it'd actually see some usage instead of waiting in drawer
<inky>
you'll have an opportunity to contribute to postmarketos, and add the device to the list. also, if you'd have mood, you could also add it to maemo.
<Wizzup>
I haven't read the full backlog, but if mobian works on a device then yes there is a good chance maemo will work
<Wizzup>
we'd like to make maemo run on more devices
<Wizzup>
if you've done the pixel 3a port then we'd be very happy to colab