<Wizzup>
I tried to rework the image-builder VMs, hopefully they won't be as slow now.
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<erebion>
Does the N900 really not work with microSD cards larger than 16 GB as some sources claim? Gardwarw limitation?
<inky>
someone said here 128gb i think.
<inky>
i have no idea why it is written they have limits when they don't.
<erebion>
Neat, then I'll buy a larger one
<erebion>
Maybe because larger than 16 GB were never tested at Nokia, not even sure back then larger ones were already a thing
<erebion>
Just like Lenovo claims the X270 has max 16 GB RAM, but mine has 32 GB and it works
<sicelo>
:-)
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<arno11>
erebion: inky: yeah 128GB is ok, even 512GB works fine on n900
<arno11>
but if it is a question of price, i recommend 32GB U3 rather than larger U1 ones. the best quality/price is 128GB U3 in my opinion
<arno11>
*for n900
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<erebion>
Currently ina shop looking ay microSDs, marked microSD XC V30 I Class (10) U3 A1 64 GB, are those fast ones..?
<erebion>
If I read Wikipedia correctly, it is a fast one
<arno11>
definitely slower than u3 a2, but no clue about the impact on N900 honestly
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<arno11>
all i know is that U3 A2 (sandisk or samsung) is usually 5x times faster than class 10 U1 on N900
<arno11>
i really don't know/understand how there is so much diff on a slow sd bus like N900
<arno11>
on my device, i tried several 'supposed good' sandisk 128GB U1, and all were very slow. at the opposite, sandisk extreme 32GB and samsung 128GB evo+ are a lot faster
<arno11>
when i say faster, i mean no slowdown, better apps launch time, no freeze and good swap performances
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<erebion>
In the context of u-boot, what does "attached kernel" mean?
<erebion>
Attached to what?
<erebion>
The docs of u-boot mention that everywhere, but I cannot find an explanation
<gnarface>
i assume it just means the booted kernel?
<gnarface>
attached to u-boot
<sicelo>
erebion: the linux kernel can be embedded inside u-boot. on the N900, the embedded kernel is the stock Fremantle kernel (or power kernel if you use that).
<sicelo>
that's what "attached kernel means." it only matters for booting Fremantle when you have u-boot installed, because u-boot gets stored in the partition where kernel actually should be
<sicelo>
Leste/mainline kernels are too big to fit in that partition (it's 2MB in size, in NAND), so we store them on external storage (eMMC or SD card in our case)
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<erebion>
sicelo: Th
<erebion>
x
<erebion>
Does U-Boot have a pager?
<erebion>
Trying to read output from printenv, but it scrolls off screen
<erebion>
Can I change the boot order somehow?
<sicelo>
boot with the keyboard slid out - this will take you to the menu. from there, you can just choose SD card booting
<sicelo>
the slide out 'magic' is baked into the first-stage bootloader (afaik), so it is what it is. There is a way to configure u-boot to default to SD card. for now this can only be done from Fremantle. still in my list of TODOs to implement for Leste/etc.
<erebion>
How can I set it to default to SD?
<erebion>
arno11: Does that mean Class 10 U3 is something different than U3..? o.O
<erebion>
consortiums only do weird shit...
<sicelo>
which u-boot did you install? flashed from maedevu.maemo.org using 0xFFFF, or installed from Fremantle?
<erebion>
First one
<erebion>
Could I change the order through hex editing? Must be in there somewhere... If I just knew where...
<sicelo>
we don't have a way to do it for the 0xFFFF way. as I mentioned, defaulting to SD needs to be done Fremantle, which you can't (easily) do from the 0xFFFF way
<sicelo>
however, let me see if i can find you the u-boot script/menu that's created on Fremantle side, and you can try to do it
<sicelo>
erebion: so, towards the end of https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1150740&postcount=1 you can see how to make any u-boot entry default. this involves the `u-boot-update-bootmenu` command, which runs inside Fremantle
<sicelo>
at least that's what i wanted to do, but haven't found the time yet :-)
<Wizzup>
sicelo: yeah anubis is really the bastion right now
<sicelo>
i.e. you would still need to boot into Leste manually at least one time, then inside Leste, you could possibly run this script (with some modifications?) to make this permanent. NB: i do not know if the updated u-boot supports whatever this depends on
<sicelo>
arno11: you might also be interested in the above ... no idea. :-)
<erebion>
I don't yet know enough to understand this script, guess I'll just have to select the entry for now.
<arno11>
erebion: @u3 class 10, that's unclear indeed and suspicious
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<arno11>
sicelo: sorry, i didn't follow previous msgs too much. currently fixing cloudgps routing :D
<Wizzup>
if it's complaining about the .leste files then I think that is known
<erebion>
Oh, forgot to set it public
<erebion>
That
<erebion>
yes
<erebion>
Why are there symlinks to invalid named files?
<Wizzup>
there are dpkg-diverted files
<Wizzup>
these are
<Wizzup>
It's a longer story as to why we need them
<Wizzup>
basically we need some apt preferences to pin certain repos due to a mistake in an earlier release, to make dist-upgrade work
<Wizzup>
because we use leste-config to normally create/displace the files, we use the standard (well, our 'standard') dpkg-divert mechanism in leste-config where we .leste file is made, and then these symlinks are made
<Wizzup>
in this case (and this is a first), apt is picky about this and doesn't like having these .leste files in place
<Wizzup>
no other software has cared about the filenames yet, but the warnings you can ignore at present time
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<Wizzup>
in the near future these will go away, namely for daedalus-only leste-config packages, but we need to make sure all the chimaera offending pkgs are then gone
<Wizzup>
basically we messed up for the chimaera repos in such a wat that the pkgs got postfixed with +m7 instead of +4m7, so when daedalus came and we made it +5m7, it would not upgrade because to debian +m7 > +5m7
<Wizzup>
a more simple solution would be to get rid of the divert and have leste-config just 'copy' these files into /etc/apt/preferences.d without the divert logic
<Wizzup>
the 'has been configured multiple times' problem is slightly more tedious but similarly harmless. it's because hildon-application-manager has its own set of apt repos as well and those can overlap with the system ones.
<Wizzup>
the divert thing above also applies to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d, fwiw, that's also apt complaining about a divert
<Wizzup>
really they're all harmless but I get it's a bit annoying
<Wizzup>
erebion: ^^
<erebion>
Makes sense
<erebion>
Just looks weird when it is the first thing one sees of an OS
<Wizzup>
yeah, we should probably try to fix it in leste-config, it's not that hard to fix.
<Wizzup>
you can see it mostly works ok for us, but not for apt config files
<erebion>
just wanted to open vim, but then did not as I have no idea how to type ESC...
<sicelo>
N900? besides ESC, in Vim you can also do Ctrl+C ;-)
<sicelo>
as we all know, that won't exit Vim ... only exits Insert Mode
<erebion>
really?!
<erebion>
I've never tried that one
<erebion>
that's neat
<erebion>
No longer feeling trapped with out ESC
<sicelo>
vim is popular for a good reason ;-)
<erebion>
Is the right side switch intended to be hard to move on the N900 or does mine just have a spring that applies too much force..?
<erebion>
Funnily enough Maemo Leste shows my SIM card as from an operator that has not existed for 11 years
<erebion>
Also, the SIM is not from that operator
<sicelo>
hah
<sicelo>
it's risen from the ashes
<erebion>
But it adds to the nostalgic charm
<erebion>
So I actually like that
<sicelo>
if you have a moment, you can share output of `busctl call org.ofono /n900_2 org.ofono.NetworkRegistration GetProperties`
<erebion>
a{sv} 9 "Status" s "registered" "Mode" s "auto" "LocationAreaCode" q XXXXX "CellId" u XXXXX "Technology" s "edge" "MobileCountryCode" s "262" "MobileNetworkCode" s "03" "Name" s "E-Plus" "Strength" y 100
<erebion>
(it should show as o2)
<sicelo>
ok. so, this is what the operator is actually sending :-)
<erebion>
No way...
<erebion>
That'd mean they never updated the cells
<erebion>
In 11 years!
<sicelo>
yes way
<erebion>
That's when o2 Telefonica bought E-Plus
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<sicelo>
some operators send multiple names for some reason. the modem can sometimes see all of them. in ofono, we obviously have to choose one, and when i worked on the code i chose the one that seemed to be medium length.
<erebion>
Just noticed camera does not work on N900 with Maemo Leste :(
<sicelo>
oh yes, doesn't. nor does bluetooth
<erebion>
Who needs Bluetooth, that's broken anyway, lol
<erebion>
Wait.. Infrared
<erebion>
TVBGone? :D
<sicelo>
the FM Radio is hidden inside the Bluetooth chip, heh. so I definitely hope to eventually get that working
<sicelo>
Infrared should be working, but arno11 can confirm that better
<erebion>
Too bad OTG does not work
<erebion>
Otherwise I'd buy a 4G dongle and try to fit it in the case, lol
<sicelo>
never really worked on fremantle either. it was a big hack. actually, with a bit of work, it *might* be possible to make it work on mainline too
<sicelo>
at least i've got as far as supplying power to a connected device
<erebion>
How do I dial a phone number? :D
<sicelo>
you can use the 'Sphone' application
<sicelo>
there are quite a few problems to fix there ... so take calls with a grain of salt
<erebion>
Backend ring/tel/account0 is GSM?
<sicelo>
yes
<sicelo>
arno11: can share some tweaks to make the calls situation a bit better. i plan to work on some of the underlying code in the coming weeks, so things work much better than they do at present
<erebion>
Please let me know when there's something to compile and test
<erebion>
I'd love to make calls before 2G is dead here :D
<sicelo>
it already works, for making and receiving calls
<sicelo>
but there may be different issues, e.g. one way speech, lock ups. it works a bit better for arno11 because of the amount of tweaks they've done, which i'm lazy to do :p
<erebion>
Wait, I just realised I'm lucky to be a customer in the only network that has not yet announced 2G sunset in this country.
<erebion>
the others already have
<sicelo>
basically, we need to improve our pulseaudio stuff that's related to the modem (and/or do Pipewire instead)
<erebion>
Do the following things exist? CalDAV, CardDAV, railway connections software, podcast client, music player, file manager that does SMB
<sicelo>
integrated, no. but at this point it's linux :-)
<erebion>
Yeah, I mean in a way that works well without slowing down the device too much
<sicelo>
we have integrated music player actually - OpenMediaPlayer. no idea how it performs on N900. arno11 will know
<sicelo>
CalDAV/CardDAV ... our calendar and address book is based on evolution, so stuff like SyncEvolution works. i think we even had SyncEvolution info in the wiki
<arno11>
erebion: n900 calls work fine: however, with daedalus you must use a mono ogg ringtone to avoid pulseaudio issues
<arno11>
*atm
<arno11>
@infrared irtx already works, but not yet implemented
<arno11>
we need at least kernel 6.9 and to modify a line in dts to get it working OOTB with pierogi
<arno11>
*hopefully
<arno11>
@audio, video: audacious and smplayer are the best options on n900 ATM imo
<arno11>
openmediaplayer uses to much ressources atm
<Wizzup>
openmediaplayer uses very little ram for me
<arno11>
for ram, yes but cpu usage is catastrophical on n900
<arno11>
and very few audio/ video formats work properly
<sicelo>
our DSP would have helped with some of those, i think, but yeah ... that will be a very steep road, per discussion we had with fmg some months ago
<Wizzup>
strange, I have no issues with audio
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<arno11>
Wizzup: ok, yeah weird
<arno11>
btw @cloudgps routing, able to get distance and instructions
<arno11>
still some parsing and rendering issues however
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<arno11>
will share what already works in a couple of days.
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<sicelo>
what map backend does it use btw? openstreetmap?
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<arno11>
openstreetmap yeah, but also googlemaps
<arno11>
and google earth
<sicelo>
no API issues on those? or they've been stable for all these years? :p
<arno11>
still no api issues for maps, but issues with routing and geocoding, that's why i'm working/toying on/with it :D
<sicelo>
cool. i've used it only once or twice on leste. tbh i rarely ever play with/use GPS
<sicelo>
btw, not sure if you noticed - our NMEA stuff (N900) is somewhat buggy. i forgot exactly what we do wrong
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<arno11>
uh, really no idea
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<inky>
cameras are so important. i often reboot d4 to android just for that. btw i love poor quality of d4 photos.
<inky>
and i hope megapixels will be possible to run on daedalus. i will need ho trf building it again. we didn't have gtk4 on chimaera so i was waiting for it.
<inky>
megapixels is far better camera than the one we have for pinephone and libcamera.
<inky>
and if only someone added n900 and d4 cameras to libcamera.
<sicelo>
it won't happen
<dsc_>
sicelo: because of gtk4 or another reason?
<g4rrgl3n0m4d>
3
<dsc_>
ah, pinephone lib
<dsc_>
g4rrgl3n0m4d: no 4
* dsc_
hides
<g4rrgl3n0m4d>
:) it was 3 but in the wrong window
<dsc_>
/3
<g4rrgl3n0m4d>
sorry
<dsc_>
not working :(
<g4rrgl3n0m4d>
I mean I typed 3 in the wronf window