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<kiva>
Headphone amplifier of Pinephone is not bad, it can handle well 80ohm professional headphones, not all cheap Android phones can do that. I do my actual audiotest later, I only want ask some questions: what is default D/A samplerate of Leste? 16bit/44.1khz? Should Audacity work? Is there plan that when call coming it mute another audio and drops
<kiva>
samplerate back to default?
<sicelo>
default rates are whatever PA defaults to
<sicelo>
default rates are whatever PA defaults to.
<sicelo>
audacity does work. I believe arno11 uses it extensively on N900.
<sicelo>
and yes, corking for calls will work at some point.
<kiva>
Ok I put that Audacity to my Pinephone test list, I will test when next time I test with fresh sd-card image..it did not worked last time.
<kiva>
whoaah...pavucontrol-qt has Maemo UI.
<kiva>
or at least compability with Maemo is good.
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<arno11>
kiva: @default samplerate, you can modify whatever you want from /etc/pulse/default.pa. but yeah default is 44khz
<arno11>
for audacity idk, i use audacious. but i don' see any reason to not be able to use audacity on PP
<arno11>
@audio mute, there is a kind of plan as our last pulseaudio is supposed to provide module-match, which should give priority to sphone. but for a reason i don't get, it is not available in our devuan repo
<arno11>
sorry it is not default.pa but daemon.conf
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<sicelo>
ah, my bad @ audacious vs. audacity :-D
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* sicelo
regrets that he had the audacious audacity to conflate the two
<arno11>
lol
<sicelo>
:p
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<fiftydinar>
Hello
<fiftydinar>
Besides X86 VM images, is there an image I can try for real X86 hardware? Would love experimenting on it
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<dsc_>
fiftydinar: hi, do you have a specific device in mind?
<fiftydinar>
@dsc_ Just some Dell laptop from 2012, has 4gb RAM, dual core Intel CPU with integrated graphics
<dsc_>
fiftydinar: ah ok, i only use leste on mobile so not sure ^^
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<sicelo>
dsc_: what have you done? scared the poor fella :p
<dsc_>
sicelo: nahh.. out of all distros, we are in the top5 most friendly IRC channels (results from my own non-biased survey)
<dsc_>
on-track for the nobel peace prize
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<dsc_>
sicelo: are you aware of anyone running Leste on laptop?
<sicelo>
no. there was someone who tried, can't recall who they were
<sicelo>
anyway for this particular user, the issue is, iirc we don't do 32-bit images. they'd have to build for themselves
<fiftydinar>
Laptop is 64bit capable, so I should have added _64 suffix, sorry
<inky>
well d4 ol bionic with rapdock becomes leste on laptop.
<inky>
i use it.
<inky>
but i often reboot and disable loading of hildon and load windowmaker.
<fiftydinar>
Just want to run something actually usable on old laptop, Fedora Silverbue is definitely not good for it, ostree is I/O heavy.
<inky>
because i can see several terminals at once.
<inky>
fedora is always heavy
<inky>
you can run pmos
<inky>
or just instll devuan and run xfce or mate, works very fat on very weak devices.
<inky>
fast*
<sicelo>
fiftydinar: so you can just install devuan, then add the leste repositories
<fiftydinar>
sicelo: I can try
<Wizzup>
(more or less)
<sicelo>
you may need to experiment a bit though, since this use case is not very common
<sicelo>
you can compare with how the qemu vm has stuff setup
<inky>
that won't work because leste doesn't have x86 32bit apt mirror.
<fiftydinar>
inky: It's 64bit, I didn't clarify it as _64 suffix earlier. So it's somewhat doable I guess
<sicelo>
inky: OP said the machine is 64-bit capable
<inky>
also it is hard to add everything, needs to be configured, many files copied.
<sicelo>
meaning?
<sicelo>
everything can be installed ... that's how the builder does it
<fiftydinar>
I generally prefer the UI layout & looks of Maemo Leste over classic Windows one, so I prefer Maemo Leste more if I can make it work
<inky>
oh then use 64bit image? why use 32bit image if it has 64bit mode?
<sicelo>
inky: and Leste/Hildon might be faster than Xfce4 and Mate btw :p
<fiftydinar>
64bit image is only for VMs If I saw it right, not for general hardware
<inky>
my understanding is that u need to download the qemu image, convert it to
<inky>
img (with qemu-img) and dd to disk.
<inky>
that will work on any x86_64
<inky>
just you need to install it in similar way u install it on phone
<inky>
i. e. u need to dd it
<inky>
in case of phone we dd to sdcrd, here u need to boot to some livecd/liveusb and dd it to your disk which is /dev/sda or something.
<inky>
extra step is u need to convert the image from qcow2 to img
<fiftydinar>
I'll try it these days
<inky>
i can guide u if you'll have questions.
<fiftydinar>
Thanks.
<inky>
when i am free, of course and we sync
<dsc_>
fiftydinar: you should get the latest image (not chimaera), I think thats probably best
<fiftydinar>
I will
<inky>
and i dont guarantee but it should work.
<inky>
and your computer's drive should not contain any useful data, it needs to be ready for complete destruction.
<fiftydinar>
When and If I get it working, I'm planning on testing AnyLinux AppImages, like Cromite working in Maemo Leste & trying to pack some Maemo Leste apps for fun in an AppImage
<fiftydinar>
It already works in a VM, didn't test it on real hardware
<inky>
maemo apps are installable from repos on maemo.
<inky>
and maemo apps (that use hildon api) won't work without hildon desktop.
<inky>
so i dont see why would anyone need appimages
<fiftydinar>
well, that's good to know
<sicelo>
inky: i think you misunderstood.
<fiftydinar>
although, there's some userspace Maemo apps, like the one with offline AI translate iirc?
<inky>
sicelo: aha?
<fiftydinar>
maybe that would be more successful to package
<inky>
what i mean is that alas a hildonized app won't work without hildon. you need to remove hildonization to make it runnable on any desktop. that's my understnding.
<inky>
another alas is that it's not that easy to turn any devuan to maemo currently. maemo hildon desktop is not just like xfce/gnome/mate, there should be more work done to make it installable like that.
<inky>
there was a maemo ui on postmarketos buh was removed due to lack of maintainer.
<inky>
i am often thinking of creating gentoo ebuilds for hildon.
<fiftydinar>
Hildon is the desktop environment & the compositor at the same time, right?
<fiftydinar>
yeah, it's also a name for UI interface design afaik
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<arno11>
sicelo: btw @MMS, it should work with ofono scripts but we need an additional APN for MMS, right ?
<sicelo>
depends on the operator, but in most cases, yes
<sicelo>
and yes, i do believe ofono's mms support is complete/working. at least the Droidian/FuriOS people are able to get MMS unless i'm mistaken
<arno11>
ok, ah, create-mms-context probably
<arno11>
will try to toy with mms and ofono scripts :P
<sicelo>
yes. i think you need to watch dbus for smartmessaging or similar
<arno11>
monitor-ofono should do the trick, at least it is fine with sms