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<erebion>
What would be an accetable price for an N9? Just want to make sure I don't pay too much. :p
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<Wizzup>
erebion: I am not quite sure at this point, I suppose 50-100 EUR is ok depending on how rare they are
<Wizzup>
erebion: btw, the reason we didn't put that much effort into N9 as a project is because the droid bionic, droid razr and droid 4 have similar hw specs and are better supported currently (by us)
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<uvos__>
simmilar specs? mapphones are way more powerfull than n9
<uvos__>
n9 is just 512mb ram and omap3 no?
<Wizzup>
1gb ram
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<inky>
erebion, just want to make sure, is this clear that you won't have n9 maemo harmattan experience with maemo leste? and default harmattan is unusable now because of ssl etc.
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<kiva>
uvos: is that N900 transreflective mode supported with Leste?
<sicelo>
uvos__: the user specifically wants an N9 ... they know that N9 support is not even good atm in Leste
<sicelo>
and will likely be porting to Pixel 3a (which blows everything we support out of the water)
<sicelo>
kiva: that's a physical property of the display. not related to software.
<erebion>
inky: First I want to get an N9, then play around with the stock firmware for an afternoon, then I want to try running Maemo Leste on it. Same for N900 and N950, if I can find those. My priorities are N9 and N950.
<erebion>
sicelo: Yes, I will try porting, not sure whether I should first wait for the migration to debos or something like that or annoy people with questions about the ZSH scripts. :p
<kiva>
sicelo: all this year I have not noticed that N900 is little transreflective in direct sunlight, not that much that real transleflective display, but still it has.
<sicelo>
it's quite real :-)
<sicelo>
i was using it yesterday extensively, with backlight = 0
<kiva>
that should add to Settings - Display - Brightness
<sicelo>
why?
<kiva>
So that every user can use it :)
<sicelo>
in our case, the touch panel does make the transreflection not work as well as it likely does on the OLPC
<kiva>
yes I know, but if it is somehow usable then it is good bonus.
<kiva>
btw..I read the logs Did you find source of FriendStatus? I ask because next weekend I am near old HDD that might have it.
<sicelo>
i didn't look very hard (it was mostly passive checking). i guess you can share if you have it :-)
<uvos__>
kiva: yeah the n900s display is kinda marginally transflective
<uvos__>
but it is
<uvos__>
transflective displays have the issue that you need to choose between backlight effiancy vs transflective reflectivity
<uvos__>
n900's display is biased to the backlight
<uvos__>
unless you do front lit display like some gameboys
<kiva>
Nokia 9500 cover display had impressive transflective color display, colors was not very good without backlight, but contrast was very good so you did not need backlight to read it.
<sicelo>
kiva: oh cool, thanks! i guess i'll find sources for other applications here as well
<kiva>
every directory should have sources in tar package.
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<sicelo>
oh nice. thanks
<sicelo>
i've not run Fremantle in ages, so I've not followed what mirrors are current/etc.
<inky>
> inky: First I want to get an N9, then play around with the stock firmware for an afternoon, then I want to try running Maemo Leste on it. Same for N900 and N950, if I can find those. My priorities are N9 and N950.
<inky>
heh 950 is an amazing device, i would also love to have one. they were very expensive (like more than $1000) when i last checked. perhaps a couple of years ago.
<inky>
heh, right now $30.000 on ebay.
<kiva>
sicelo: I dont think there is 100% current mirror...I just hoping that official repo server go back online.
<kiva>
inky: hah..I sold N950 ten years ago and bought N900, because N900 had replaceble battery, resistive screen and you could use usb-stick...how many N900 I would take with N950 today??..:(
<sicelo>
N950 is nice, but I personally wouldn't splash that amount of money on it, especially with that annoying hardware bug affecting the screen
<sicelo>
i know it's a bit crazy, but something i'd really love to buy is an N810. I love the way it's constructed
<inky>
yes yes yes it is soooo amazing.
<inky>
i have it here on my table always. i can connect to irc without ssl. (:
<inky>
that's the first mobile device i ever wanted. i got it pretty late, in 2010. then i loved it so much, i got one for my mother too. and now i have one with wimax antenna too. but no wimax here.
<inky>
and yes, ssl is unusable. i used to run the os from sdcard. need to concentrate and do this again. i sometimes think of compiling a gentoo for it. that's what i know, and that's what is easy for me.
<kiva>
sicelo: yes N810 has best formfactor of all N-series. How about text-only Leste? Still hoping that somebody make new motherboard with 4G in it.
<inky>
its old hildon, in theory can be revived. i think the problem is it won't work with mainline and mainline needs to be patched to work on it.
<sicelo>
text-only leste?
<inky>
leste is hildon as of fremantle, no? (:
<sicelo>
the problem with N8x0 is the CPUs are so old ...
<sicelo>
meaning there's very little you can do with them
<kiva>
but has enough power without GUI..just for irc or lynx and mc.
<inky>
i think that's fine. the internal partition is so small. but running it from sdcard was solving this i think.
<inky>
and armv6 is fine. enough for amfora and pidgin and mcabber and netsurf.
<inky>
i think some map apps can be built to run on it too.
<sicelo>
ah, that's another nail in the coffin - armv6 ...
<kiva>
N8x0 support at least 128GB SD-card.
<sicelo>
which is the one with multiple SD slots? N800, or N810?
<kiva>
N800
<inky>
wooow seriously? i never tried, it was written 16gb i think.
<kiva>
only 770 has 2GB limit.
<inky>
ohh my god, i need to make it boot from the bigger sdcard then.
<inky>
and i can really try to boot gentoo... oh but with this old kernel...
<inky>
you know once i was experimenting with google nexus s, and it only runs its kernel 3.something from cyanogenmod, and with very modern alpine/pmos it worked, but i tried to unpack there maemo chimaera rootfs, and it said 'invalid binary format'
<kiva>
for N810 is that boot selector was it Backup Menu.
<inky>
i don't know what is that, ELF is different on chimaera than on pmos?
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<sicelo>
I'm guessing ELF is ELF ... but the libc is different
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<sicelo>
oh, the nexus s might been 64 bit?
<uvos__>
nah
<uvos__>
nexus s was before the galaxy nexus which used an omap4
<uvos__>
nexus s uses something older
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<inky>
ok can someone confirm that upgrade to daedalus not feasible with apt? new image has to be flashed?
<inky>
> oh, the nexus s might been 64 bit?
<inky>
no it's 32bit.
<inky>
i replaced whole rootfs. with chimaera libc too. i have a screensot somewhere. will find and share.
<sicelo>
my guess is - it should be possible, depending on how careful the user is, and how well-versed they are with apt/dpkg issues